Comments on: C of E Christmas Day hypocrisy http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/12/26/c-of-e-christmas-day-hypocrisy/ Just another WordPress site Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:31:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: jameshigham http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/12/26/c-of-e-christmas-day-hypocrisy/#comment-1536 jameshigham Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:10:54 +0000 http://davecole.org/blog/?p=2073#comment-1536 Children as young as two are to be targeted as part of a new campaign to recruit young people back to the church, the Guardian has learned. It used to be called Christening and Baptism and was just what parents did with their offspring. Sad commentary on today's society that our old traditions are caleld "targetting", as if they are somehow not good. .-= jameshigham´s last blog: <a href="http://nourishingobscurity.blogspot.com/2009/09/ladies-and-gentlemen-please-adjust-your.html" rel="nofollow">Ladies and gentlemen, please adjust your links and feeds</a> =-. Children as young as two are to be targeted as part of a new campaign to recruit young people back to the church, the Guardian has learned.

It used to be called Christening and Baptism and was just what parents did with their offspring. Sad commentary on today’s society that our old traditions are caleld “targetting”, as if they are somehow not good.
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]]> By: Dave Cole http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/12/26/c-of-e-christmas-day-hypocrisy/#comment-1535 Dave Cole Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:21:32 +0000 http://davecole.org/blog/?p=2073#comment-1535 Graeme, The full quote is <blockquote>The Church of England should no longer be satisfied to represent only the Conservative Party at prayer. </blockquote>I wasn't having a dig at the Tories; I was having a dig at the C of E. As it happens, I rather agree with Dr Williams' sentiments above; the point I was trying, if somewhat ineptly, to make was that Williams' Christianity is of a quiet radicalism that does not sit well with the traditional state-religion manifestations of the C of E in public piety. The hypocrisy is not on the side of anyone who agrees with Dr Williams on atomisation or the too-soon loss of innocence, but on the Church's part when it can simultaneously have the AB of C saying that we shouldn't strip children of childhood at the same time as the policies revealed in the Guardian - at least as I understand them - do precisely that. Anyway, I hope you've had a lovely Christmas. xD. Graeme,

The full quote is

The Church of England should no longer be satisfied to represent only the Conservative Party at prayer.

I wasn’t having a dig at the Tories; I was having a dig at the C of E.

As it happens, I rather agree with Dr Williams’ sentiments above; the point I was trying, if somewhat ineptly, to make was that Williams’ Christianity is of a quiet radicalism that does not sit well with the traditional state-religion manifestations of the C of E in public piety.

The hypocrisy is not on the side of anyone who agrees with Dr Williams on atomisation or the too-soon loss of innocence, but on the Church’s part when it can simultaneously have the AB of C saying that we shouldn’t strip children of childhood at the same time as the policies revealed in the Guardian – at least as I understand them – do precisely that.

Anyway, I hope you’ve had a lovely Christmas.

xD.

]]> By: Graeme Archer http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/12/26/c-of-e-christmas-day-hypocrisy/#comment-1534 Graeme Archer Sat, 26 Dec 2009 21:20:19 +0000 http://davecole.org/blog/?p=2073#comment-1534 I don't agree with you for once Dave. I'm a fellow non-believer, but I don't think you're right to either dismiss the AB of C's words as just "semantics", or to make the little dig at the Tory party. On the first point, his words speak to something real, if "real" means something that lots of us have noticed and disliked (the atomisation of modern Britain), and on the second point, not only has there long been a strand of toryism more in favour of mutual interdependence than arid individualism, since Cameron became leader it has become the party's dominant strand. I think this is what Phillip Blond talks about. I don't think its hypocritical for a church to believe these things and to campaign for them, as you seem to suggest. Anyway I hope you had a lovely Christmas! .-= Graeme Archer´s last blog: <a href="http://graemearcher.com/where-angels-fear-to-tread/" rel="nofollow">Where Angels Fear To Tread</a> =-. I don’t agree with you for once Dave. I’m a fellow non-believer, but I don’t think you’re right to either dismiss the AB of C’s words as just “semantics”, or to make the little dig at the Tory party. On the first point, his words speak to something real, if “real” means something that lots of us have noticed and disliked (the atomisation of modern Britain), and on the second point, not only has there long been a strand of toryism more in favour of mutual interdependence than arid individualism, since Cameron became leader it has become the party’s dominant strand. I think this is what Phillip Blond talks about.

I don’t think its hypocritical for a church to believe these things and to campaign for them, as you seem to suggest.

Anyway I hope you had a lovely Christmas!
.-= Graeme Archer´s last blog: Where Angels Fear To Tread =-.

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