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		<title>By: Dave Cole</title>
		<link>http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/10/16/of-marriage-race-and-contract/#comment-1448</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure there is a recourse to the big stick. Complaints have been made to the PCC - a private body to which newspapers voluntarily adhere - and no-one has said we should shut down the Mail or gag Moir. Instead, they have said, effectively, that they will withdraw custom from those advertisers that put their messages out with Moir, and this has in turn led to pressure on the Mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure there is a recourse to the big stick. Complaints have been made to the PCC &#8211; a private body to which newspapers voluntarily adhere &#8211; and no-one has said we should shut down the Mail or gag Moir. Instead, they have said, effectively, that they will withdraw custom from those advertisers that put their messages out with Moir, and this has in turn led to pressure on the Mail.</p>
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		<title>By: jameshigham</title>
		<link>http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/10/16/of-marriage-race-and-contract/#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator>jameshigham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 05:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re-read the article – it was a load of homophobic bile, implying that he died because he was gay, not that it should at least be allowed to be considered.

Yes but that&#039;s her opinion, Dave.  Now, there are two things here.  If that opinion disgusts people, then they will turn from the paper in droves and readership speaks in the media.  She&#039;ll be booted out for that.

Same with Griffin.  If his message accords with people, they&#039;ll come to him.  Otherwise, they&#039;ll leave in droves.  There&#039;s a self-actualizing tendency here where people can be sent to Coventry.

What it doesn&#039;t need is recourse to the big stick, just because someone dislikes the view.  There&#039;s a blogger who has said the most libellous things about me and I&#039;ve been asked why I don&#039;t litigate.  Money and the principle - this society has gone too far down that track.

The mature way to settle something is for people to shun someone.  If enough people feel that way, then he or she will feel it soon enough.

That&#039;s the British way.
.-= jameshigham´s last blog: &lt;a href=&quot;http://nourishingobscurity.blogspot.com/2009/09/ladies-and-gentlemen-please-adjust-your.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ladies and gentlemen, please adjust your links and feeds&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-read the article – it was a load of homophobic bile, implying that he died because he was gay, not that it should at least be allowed to be considered.</p>
<p>Yes but that&#8217;s her opinion, Dave.  Now, there are two things here.  If that opinion disgusts people, then they will turn from the paper in droves and readership speaks in the media.  She&#8217;ll be booted out for that.</p>
<p>Same with Griffin.  If his message accords with people, they&#8217;ll come to him.  Otherwise, they&#8217;ll leave in droves.  There&#8217;s a self-actualizing tendency here where people can be sent to Coventry.</p>
<p>What it doesn&#8217;t need is recourse to the big stick, just because someone dislikes the view.  There&#8217;s a blogger who has said the most libellous things about me and I&#8217;ve been asked why I don&#8217;t litigate.  Money and the principle &#8211; this society has gone too far down that track.</p>
<p>The mature way to settle something is for people to shun someone.  If enough people feel that way, then he or she will feel it soon enough.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the British way.<br />
.-= jameshigham´s last blog: <a href="http://nourishingobscurity.blogspot.com/2009/09/ladies-and-gentlemen-please-adjust-your.html" rel="nofollow">Ladies and gentlemen, please adjust your links and feeds</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: BoBo</title>
		<link>http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/10/16/of-marriage-race-and-contract/#comment-1446</link>
		<dc:creator>BoBo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage has nothing to do with race, and people have the freedom to decide it, but not government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage has nothing to do with race, and people have the freedom to decide it, but not government.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/10/16/of-marriage-race-and-contract/#comment-1445</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

I very strongly disagree. At no point in her article did Moir say that she had been prevented from saying her peace or that this was a freedom of speech issue.

No-one has suggested that she should be prevented from saying what she said. Re-read the article - it was a load of homophobic bile, implying that he died because he was gay, not that it should at least be allowed to be considered.

What people have said is that her comments were so far beyond the pale that they affect the credibility of the newspaper and, indeed, those who advertise with that newspaper.

Freedom of speech does not imply a right to a pulpit.

xD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>I very strongly disagree. At no point in her article did Moir say that she had been prevented from saying her peace or that this was a freedom of speech issue.</p>
<p>No-one has suggested that she should be prevented from saying what she said. Re-read the article &#8211; it was a load of homophobic bile, implying that he died because he was gay, not that it should at least be allowed to be considered.</p>
<p>What people have said is that her comments were so far beyond the pale that they affect the credibility of the newspaper and, indeed, those who advertise with that newspaper.</p>
<p>Freedom of speech does not imply a right to a pulpit.</p>
<p>xD.</p>
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		<title>By: jameshigham</title>
		<link>http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/10/16/of-marriage-race-and-contract/#comment-1444</link>
		<dc:creator>jameshigham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite a large section of the internet, whilst not admiring her as a person, is applauding the stance for free speech Moir took.  This is our most precious commodity today.
.-= jameshigham´s last blog: &lt;a href=&quot;http://nourishingobscurity.blogspot.com/2009/09/ladies-and-gentlemen-please-adjust-your.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ladies and gentlemen, please adjust your links and feeds&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite a large section of the internet, whilst not admiring her as a person, is applauding the stance for free speech Moir took.  This is our most precious commodity today.<br />
.-= jameshigham´s last blog: <a href="http://nourishingobscurity.blogspot.com/2009/09/ladies-and-gentlemen-please-adjust-your.html" rel="nofollow">Ladies and gentlemen, please adjust your links and feeds</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Cole</title>
		<link>http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/10/16/of-marriage-race-and-contract/#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you&#039;ve complained at Moir - I have too. Fortunately, the ACLU are going to take up the Bardwell case, and it&#039;s pretty open and shut. Leaving aside the morality, what he&#039;s doing has been illegal since Loving v Virginia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you&#8217;ve complained at Moir &#8211; I have too. Fortunately, the ACLU are going to take up the Bardwell case, and it&#8217;s pretty open and shut. Leaving aside the morality, what he&#8217;s doing has been illegal since Loving v Virginia.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
		<link>http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/10/16/of-marriage-race-and-contract/#comment-1442</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ve complained about Jan Moir - I doubt I have any realistic way of at all hindering Mr. Bardwell, though, from fair Britannia? Also considering my age, lack of political experience, and general uselessness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ve complained about Jan Moir &#8211; I doubt I have any realistic way of at all hindering Mr. Bardwell, though, from fair Britannia? Also considering my age, lack of political experience, and general uselessness.</p>
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