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		<title>By: The day the pennies dropped about Boris &#8211; all 20 of them &#171; 853</title>
		<link>http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/10/04/the-london-polity/#comment-1428</link>
		<dc:creator>The day the pennies dropped about Boris &#8211; all 20 of them &#171; 853</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a grumpy Green I&#8217;d probably be wondering why nobody was criticising Ken Livingstone properly. Dave Cole looked at this aspect a few months [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Why the London Evening Standard is dying &#124; Andrew Blackman</title>
		<link>http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/10/04/the-london-polity/#comment-1427</link>
		<dc:creator>Why the London Evening Standard is dying &#124; Andrew Blackman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] quite a personal viewpoint/rant &#8211; for some more informed comments on the subject, see Dave Cole and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Cole</title>
		<link>http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/10/04/the-london-polity/#comment-1426</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peezedtee, I wholeheartedly agree.</description>
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		<title>By: peezedtee</title>
		<link>http://www.davecole.org/blog/2009/10/04/the-london-polity/#comment-1425</link>
		<dc:creator>peezedtee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we need is regional government all round. Greater London would be one of the regions. Certain powers need to be devolved from UK level, which is grossly overcentralised. The regions should have at least the present powers of the Welsh Assembly. We are already in a better position than most, having a London Assembly elected by PR.
.-= peezedtee´s last blog: &lt;a href=&quot;http://peezedtee.blogspot.com/2009/10/fifty-years-ago-we-never-had-it-so-good.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fifty years ago, we never had it so good. Possibly.&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we need is regional government all round. Greater London would be one of the regions. Certain powers need to be devolved from UK level, which is grossly overcentralised. The regions should have at least the present powers of the Welsh Assembly. We are already in a better position than most, having a London Assembly elected by PR.<br />
.-= peezedtee´s last blog: <a href="http://peezedtee.blogspot.com/2009/10/fifty-years-ago-we-never-had-it-so-good.html" rel="nofollow">Fifty years ago, we never had it so good. Possibly.</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darryl,

I both agree and disagree with you; when devolution was being set up for London, the Labour hierarchy was twitchy about it, but I think that was largely because it was obvious Ken was the front runner. The Tube PPP was a mistake, both on the policy itself and in the way it was foisted on London shortly before devolution. However, now it is established, I&#039;d say that they might see the worth of it.

Regarding the northern MPs and the general perception that London receives too much coverage in the national press, I&#039;d say that a growth in London politics and London media would reduce the imbalance as it would no longer be necessary to cover the public life of the single most important part of the country at the national level.

I don&#039;t know whether the Tories would be foolish enough to get rid of citywide governance for London again, though I rather doubt it. What I don&#039;t doubt is that they would favour the boroughs against the GLA.

I hadn&#039;t realise about the media coverage issue - very interesting. That having been said, plenty of people in the Home Counties commute into London and are otherwise attached to it. I wonder how much it costs to have a channel on satellite :)

There are some pretty good local London papers - the Camden New Journal, for instance - but there isn&#039;t really one for Westminster, where I used to live, and various other places. There&#039;s a problem across the country in municipal politics not receiving enough scrutiny, but London is a region rather than a municipality, albeit a metropolitan region.

Tom,

That&#039;s true, but it doesn&#039;t really help matters as the coverage of London politics in the nationals is a bit superficial and tends to focus on the personality of the Mayor rather than looking at policy impacts in any meaningful way.

I actually think, even though they don&#039;t have as many readers and listeners as I&#039;d like, that the broadsheets and radio programming do a reasonable job of holding the political system up to scrutiny. Whether or not its enough, London is less, and needs more.

Simon K,

Agreed, although it does act towards the imagined community that I mentioned earlier. I&#039;d also say that the ES, London Lite and the defunct thelondonpaper were a bit too focused on going out in zone one.

xD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darryl,</p>
<p>I both agree and disagree with you; when devolution was being set up for London, the Labour hierarchy was twitchy about it, but I think that was largely because it was obvious Ken was the front runner. The Tube PPP was a mistake, both on the policy itself and in the way it was foisted on London shortly before devolution. However, now it is established, I&#8217;d say that they might see the worth of it.</p>
<p>Regarding the northern MPs and the general perception that London receives too much coverage in the national press, I&#8217;d say that a growth in London politics and London media would reduce the imbalance as it would no longer be necessary to cover the public life of the single most important part of the country at the national level.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether the Tories would be foolish enough to get rid of citywide governance for London again, though I rather doubt it. What I don&#8217;t doubt is that they would favour the boroughs against the GLA.</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t realise about the media coverage issue &#8211; very interesting. That having been said, plenty of people in the Home Counties commute into London and are otherwise attached to it. I wonder how much it costs to have a channel on satellite <img src='http://www.davecole.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There are some pretty good local London papers &#8211; the Camden New Journal, for instance &#8211; but there isn&#8217;t really one for Westminster, where I used to live, and various other places. There&#8217;s a problem across the country in municipal politics not receiving enough scrutiny, but London is a region rather than a municipality, albeit a metropolitan region.</p>
<p>Tom,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true, but it doesn&#8217;t really help matters as the coverage of London politics in the nationals is a bit superficial and tends to focus on the personality of the Mayor rather than looking at policy impacts in any meaningful way.</p>
<p>I actually think, even though they don&#8217;t have as many readers and listeners as I&#8217;d like, that the broadsheets and radio programming do a reasonable job of holding the political system up to scrutiny. Whether or not its enough, London is less, and needs more.</p>
<p>Simon K,</p>
<p>Agreed, although it does act towards the imagined community that I mentioned earlier. I&#8217;d also say that the ES, London Lite and the defunct thelondonpaper were a bit too focused on going out in zone one.</p>
<p>xD.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t particularly count Metro as a London paper either, as it&#039;s available in other major UK cities too. It does have some London specific content, but its agenda is not London focused overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t particularly count Metro as a London paper either, as it&#8217;s available in other major UK cities too. It does have some London specific content, but its agenda is not London focused overall.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All very true, although much of the national media is excessively London-focused so media coverage of the city and its politics isn&#039;t exactly confined to those few outlets you mention. You can also add in some of the larger circulation &quot;local&quot; papers like the South London Press.

It&#039;s also very easy to overstate the extent to which the national media really scrutinise and hold Westminster to account.
.-= Tom Chance´s last blog: &lt;a href=&quot;http://tom.acrewoods.net/2009/10/04/who-is-really-ripping-us-off/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Who is really ripping us off?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All very true, although much of the national media is excessively London-focused so media coverage of the city and its politics isn&#8217;t exactly confined to those few outlets you mention. You can also add in some of the larger circulation &#8220;local&#8221; papers like the South London Press.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also very easy to overstate the extent to which the national media really scrutinise and hold Westminster to account.<br />
.-= Tom Chance´s last blog: <a href="http://tom.acrewoods.net/2009/10/04/who-is-really-ripping-us-off/" rel="nofollow">Who is really ripping us off?</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: darryl853</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aye to that - it was embarrassing to see Boris cosy up to Michael Bloomberg in New York recently when their powers don&#039;t compare at all.

http://853blog.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/the-boy-boris-meets-the-man-bloomberg/

Trouble is, Labour doesn&#039;t trust London - witness the early Livingstone ructions, Tube PPP, northern MPs moaning, etc - while the Tories simply don&#039;t want any kind of city-wide government, preferring everything to be devolved down to the 32 squabbling, unrepresentative fiefdoms that are the London boroughs, which are too small to merit London-wide coverage, but which sometimes don&#039;t have any proper local media scrutiny at all (like Greenwich).

And without a London mayor having *real* powers, there&#039;s no real incentive for the media to scrutinise him/her properly.

Media distribution&#039;s also a factor here - in TV terms, London&#039;s broadcast footprint from Crystal Palace also takes in the northern Home Counties, so we&#039;ve always had to share with areas like Luton. Whereas in the US, cable&#039;s been the primary method of TV distribution (in New York, cable is licenced on a borough by borough basis) so broadcasters can have a tighter focus. So while a channel like NY1 would be welcome in London, it just isn&#039;t going to happen when most people watch TV through aerials or dishes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aye to that &#8211; it was embarrassing to see Boris cosy up to Michael Bloomberg in New York recently when their powers don&#8217;t compare at all.</p>
<p><a href="http://853blog.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/the-boy-boris-meets-the-man-bloomberg/" rel="nofollow">http://853blog.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/the-boy-boris-meets-the-man-bloomberg/</a></p>
<p>Trouble is, Labour doesn&#8217;t trust London &#8211; witness the early Livingstone ructions, Tube PPP, northern MPs moaning, etc &#8211; while the Tories simply don&#8217;t want any kind of city-wide government, preferring everything to be devolved down to the 32 squabbling, unrepresentative fiefdoms that are the London boroughs, which are too small to merit London-wide coverage, but which sometimes don&#8217;t have any proper local media scrutiny at all (like Greenwich).</p>
<p>And without a London mayor having *real* powers, there&#8217;s no real incentive for the media to scrutinise him/her properly.</p>
<p>Media distribution&#8217;s also a factor here &#8211; in TV terms, London&#8217;s broadcast footprint from Crystal Palace also takes in the northern Home Counties, so we&#8217;ve always had to share with areas like Luton. Whereas in the US, cable&#8217;s been the primary method of TV distribution (in New York, cable is licenced on a borough by borough basis) so broadcasters can have a tighter focus. So while a channel like NY1 would be welcome in London, it just isn&#8217;t going to happen when most people watch TV through aerials or dishes.</p>
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